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Not too much of a roast at all. That was alot of help. Everytime I ask my brother all he says is "fix it his face is wierd" or something like that. I've actually been attempting to use shapes to bring together a picture like that pencil Gohan pic I did way back when. But it's just so frustrating and alot of times when I'm frustrated I tend to give up. But I'll definately keep working at solid drawing and check out some antomy books. Anatomy is the area I'm weakest in. Huge thanks for the comment.

Oh I'm glad it helped. The important thing to remember about the solid drawing thing is that you work with 3D shapes not 2D shapes. So you need to use these three shapes: spheres, boxes, cyllinders. All of those are covered in Bridgman's book. Actually, I recently found out that this one artist never studied anatomy. His stuff is really solid though. So you can do solid drawing without even knowing anatomy! lol!
His name is Stephen Silverman. His art is really good. Anyway, what really helped me in drawing heads was I bought this plastic skull model and I drew it 100 times. Try that out. Don't do anything detailed or anything. Just try to get a feel for the porportions of the skull and how the forms move in and out of each other. Spend no more than 3 minutes on each drawing. That will really help.

I'll try that. But I'll have trouble with the 3 minute thing I have a tendancy to draw every little detail. I'm thinking that I should start using models instead of creating poses in my head. That should help with the anatomy thing right?

yeah the whole method of solid drawing is to NOT do any detail until the very final final step so it's like you are just constructing the shapes and getting the shape right first. Most artists are the same way where all they want to do is detail and then they learn about starting off with light construction and such. using models would be a good idea. an even better idea would be to go to live nude figure drawing sessions but a lot of people have trouble finding those. There are books out there with photographs of people posed in different positions as a reference for artists. You might want to see if you can find anything like that anywhere.

I'll try looking for books and stuff like that and actually my brother goes to those nude drawing sessions every saturday and comes back with amazing looking pictures. I'm so envious of him but anyway thanks alot for your advice it'll really help push me in the right direction.

no prob. yeah figure drawing is really hard but it's work the struggle.