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themusicdied

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Aug 1, 2005 10:19 am

hahaha!!! My family NEVER ever looks at my art even if I ask them to. So, I don't have to worry about that. ^_^

Well, streaking or with clothes on, she looks really pretty. You did a very nice job. ^_^

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 9:39 pm

Well, I force my pics on my family. Except this one I only planned on showing my mom, but my dad had to come along. Oh well.

Thank you, I am glad you think so. [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:11 pm

lol My family just has no interest. So, I don't bother them. My sister used to be into my art, but she's not either now. lol

You're totally welcome! ^_^

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:17 pm

I am into your art though!! We can temporarily pretend I am a younger sister.... [emoticon]

See I even have the innocent little sister look. [emoticon]

Thankies!!

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:20 pm

Oooo!! I always wanted a little sister! YAY!!! ^_^ But, aren't we like the same age? lol

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:30 pm

[emoticon] I don't know... are we? I am 13.. you? [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:36 pm

[emoticon] I'm 14. My birthday is May 13, 1991. You?

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:42 pm

Hahaha, My birthday is August 28. And you know what my first gift that day is going to be?

[emoticon] School.... Whoopdeedoo....
-sarcasticly twirl finger around in air-

[emoticon] Aren't I just a lucky one? Hmmm... since I missed this years B-day... I shall draw and/or write something for you. Don't ask me why... i just want an excuse to do something for someone. [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:46 pm

Oh, sounds like a LOT of fun! lol I wouldn't want that for my birthday. lol

Oh, thanks!! That's really nice of you!! ^_^ I do a lot of requests too.. Though, I've never requested anything in my life. LOL

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 1, 2005 10:48 pm

You know... that is the same with me. I never really asked anyone for any drawing, people just end up giveing it to me.... [emoticon]

Oh yes, I am going to enjoy my birthday SOOO Much.... It is going to TEH best. Hmmm.... But there is the possiblities of new friends for my birthday. So I guess it isn't all bad right? [emoticon] I always look for a bright side... Because I just love being happy!!

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 2, 2005 5:46 am

Oh, I know, right?! On otaku (another art site I do) I've made a lot of REALLY great friends. Well, the number of drawings they've just drawn me because they wanted to had no gotten over 20. lol Well, I guess they just care a lot. ^_^

lol I understad what you mean. I can never figure out how people can be so down and upset ALL the time some of them... I could never be like that. I love being happy too. =^_^=

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 2, 2005 11:34 am

Haha, I guess that everyone just has a thing for us two happy people no? [emoticon] And whenever I am down... my friends seem to be down too.

It really is a nice thing to know people care. =^.^=

Being happy is fun, so why be sad? That is what I always tell myself anyway. [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 2, 2005 3:20 pm

Oh, I totally understand! If I'm upset, it;s like I convey my emotions to all my friends or something. lol ^_^

It is, isn't it? I love that feeling. ^_^

lol That's what I always tell my friends! Some of my friends always think something's wrong with them. I don't understand that term of thinking at all. [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 2, 2005 5:24 pm

LoL YEs we shall spread our emotions and soon EVERYONE SHALL BE OUR FOLLOWERS!!! [emoticon]

[emoticon] [emoticon]

WE ARE SO ALIKE!!! [emoticon] My friends think so too, even though I always tell them they are fine the way they are. -shrugs- But they just don't learn. -sigh- Oh well... at least we are there to try and brighten them up!!

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 2, 2005 7:30 pm

YAY!!! Actually, in real life my friend, Meg, made a fan club for me. There' like 10 people in it. When she told me I was like " [emoticon] wau....". LOL!

I know, isn't it great?!!! ^__^ Yeah, I'll always be there for them. So even if they don't luv themselves, I'll luv them for them. lol! ^_^

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 2, 2005 9:06 pm

Omg... you too?!?! My friend Ana started a fan club for me too. Supposedly all my friends are part of it. They act as if I am some one to worship or something. I don't want that I just want friends!! Not for them to be on a daily basis of [emoticon]

We are so alike!! Now I am very proud to be called your 'little sister'!! LoL Now... TO VIEW YOUR ART!!! LoL

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 12:36 am

Are you serious?! That's so weird!! I've never talked to anyone else they did that! My friend who started this gets down on one knee when she first sees me in the morning at school and she calls me "mi Lady Katie". lol

Wee! Same here! I'm proud to be 'older sister' too! In real life I'm the youngest. My only sister is almost 27 and is married and had one kid. So I'm like an only child. [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 10:21 am

YEs the whole thing is kind of freakish. I mean I feel very loved and cool, but.... the whole thing is just one step from stalker club. [emoticon]

In real life I am the youngest and only girl! -SPOILED ALERT- My eldest brother is in College so we hardly ever see him. My other one is always out so I am always the only one around. I stay home alone a lot. I feel like an only child too. Which makes me even more spoiled. [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 11:14 am

O_O" I asked my friend one time why she made the fan club and all that and she said "Because, Katie, you're like a god. Perfect in every way." I was like "uh... yeah... I'm nice n happy and all... but perfect?" Crazy friends, I tell yah! lol

Oh, but isn't spoiled a good thing? ^_~ Yeah, I'm super spoiled too. I like it. LOL!! Yes, I'm home alone a lot too. I don't go out much anymore. lol

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 11:35 am

My friends are kind of obsessed with me, the are always trying to please me. I just try to kind of change the subject every now and then. Friends can have some serious mental problems. Maybe we should like start a fan club for ourselves and worship... ourselves. [emoticon]

Yes spoiledness is so great!! I hardly go out either. Oh well.. At least I have fun home alone... most of the time... [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 2:42 pm

Eh, like I said, my friends are crazy too. But, that's what I love most about them. They're all SO different!

lol That's why I made friends on the internet. Someone in some country is always on. ^_^

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 3:26 pm

Yes I agree completely!! Everything you said are exactly my thoughts and facts!!

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 4:16 pm

Perhaps we're not just sisters, but twins. Oooo.....

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 4:33 pm

Oooo... perhaps.... twins seperated at birth. But then why was I born months after you? [emoticon] Maybe my birthday was/is a lie?

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 4:50 pm

Maybe the guy who wrote out your birth certificate was busy and wrote the wrong month?

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 7:45 pm

Wow, to have it off by THAT far... we should find this guy and beat him up for seperating us. THat would teach him.... [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 8:02 pm

lol uh-huh!! He'd be sure to send children home with the right birth certificates next time! lol Did you know that 12 babies in the US alone are sent home with the wrong parents every year and no one realizes it till they get bolld testing and stuff for their jobs? It's kinda scary when you think about it...

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 8:04 pm

Yes maybe we should put him up with the plagerist and the two evil teachers when we find him. [emoticon]

That is scary to think about isn't it? But I also think that your family is the people who cared for you and who you grew up with. Of course I shall make an exception every once in a while. ^^

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 3, 2005 8:09 pm

LOL Good idea! We shall have to do that!! [emoticon]

I know, right? Some times I wonder if that happened to me because I don't look a whole lot like my family. lol Yeah, these are the people I've lived with for 14 years. ^_^

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 4, 2005 1:08 pm

Same here. Haha, well this has gotten rather long no? [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 4, 2005 4:14 pm

What's the fun in something unless it's LONG and DRAWN-OUT? lol! You're right, but, one time I was chatting with Meg (stealth nerd) on a comment for like, a month. [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 4, 2005 6:18 pm

Hahahaha. Good point!!

Well then, I must beat that record and go for more than a month!! MWHUAHAHAHAH!!

[emoticon] [emoticon] What evil laugh? I don't know what you are talking about.

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 4, 2005 8:32 pm

LOL!!! Good idea! We'll see how long we can keep this up. You're gonna have 10,000 comments on this one... LOL!!

I've got no idea what you're talking about. I hear no evil laughing. [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 12:53 am

LoL That sure si going to make me feel good!! XP Hmmm... now to think of some topics to talk about. Or maybe we shall just let them came as they come.

That sounds good!! Come as they come!! WOO!! HYPER!! LoL

That is right, because I didn't laugh evilly. So there is nothing to not hear because nothing was voiced to hear....

[emoticon]

[emoticon] What did I just say?!? [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 7:31 am

LOL I get hyper when I eat chocolate. The good thing for that is, I don't 90% of chocolate. lol I'm not a big sweets fan. lol

[emoticon] I've got no idea either... LOL

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 8:00 am

LoL, I get hyper whenever one of the many plants in my house goes throu the process of photosynthesis. [emoticon]

But it is only cuz I am cool. :cool:

But really, I am hyper almost all day every day. Except right now, this isn't hyper, this is tired and mad at the kid who went right out side my window and started crying his lungs out when I only got like two hours of sleep. [emoticon] I can't get back to it. It was so comfortable. [emoticon]

LoL I think I said something about... saying stuff... or not saying stuff... or something... [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 9:28 am

LOL!!

I have a 30 ft. brick wall around 2 sides of my house, a private courtyard on another side, and I live on a main street. There's no people for a block and a half so I don't have to worry about things like that. lol Oh, and the 30 ft. brick wall is a church, the people from the insane asylum havn't found me yet. [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 10:09 am

LOL!! My house is in one of those towns where you go and get the house made brand new for you. People are everywhere. You see the thing that irked me most about the kid was I am on teh second floor of my house, my window was closed, and i had a pillow over my head. Don't ask me how I end up like tha t sometimes. AND I COULD STILL HEAR HIM CRYING!! [emoticon]

Oh well, whatevar. Hmmm... I have a friend who said that the nice people in the white coats that bring me that really nice jacket forgot to pick me up one too many times. But man is that jacket cozy.... [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 11:11 am

lol See, I live in New Jersey. There's probably the same number, or more, of horses as people here. LOL I would HATE to live some place that was crowded like that. *shudder*

LOL Yeah, me and my friend from off-line are always joking that someday someone's gonna take us to that nice padded room... LOL Yes, those are the most confy jackets, ne? [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 11:26 am

Hahah, I live in aurora and chicago, I say andbecause we still have our old house in chicago. My dad just won't get rid of it!! REally I live in the suburbian part of the town, and it is usually very quiet. Oh.. but the day I decide to stay up until 6:oo AM That kid decides I need a wake up call. Well, Its all good no?

Hahaha, yes it is very fun/funny!! I just love making fun of myself!! It is so fun, and no one takes something the wrong way!!

Oh, the most comfy!! I never had such a nice cozy one before in my life!! [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 11:40 am

I've never moved in my life. We've lied in this house 18 years. lol!! Isn't that the way it always goes? You could fall asleep at 12:00 every night of the year, but one night you stay up, and something happens. I did that a few weeks ago. I was up till 5:30AM chatting with my friend, and at 6:15 that morning my sister decided to hold her hand over my mouth so I'd wake up and freak out. @_@ Yeah, it is all good though! ^_^

I know, right? There's no way you're gonna piss someone off. LOL

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 5, 2005 12:53 pm

I have moved to so many houses it isn't even funny. I never really got a chance to make real true friends, except in this house. We have stayed here a whole FIVE years!! WhoA!! LoL But since I have friends on the internet now I won't be so lonely no more!

Really? I thought it was just me that happenes to! I call it the Melissa snese that everyone and thing has. If I am relaxing the sense kicks in and someone comes or something ruins it. Welps... my mom I would say more but my mom is nagging at me and my stomach is starting to turn from the cleaning thing she is using.

So yeah... Hahahaha. Actually no.. no hahaha, my tummy hurts now. >< Darn it!

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 6, 2005 11:10 am

lol You sound like my mom. She used to move like every other year untill she was 16.

Uch, I hate those smells too. They make me so sick I have to either leave or hurl. @_@

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Aug 6, 2005 6:24 pm

Hahahaha Well, at least I am sure that I am still going to be in this house when I am 16 so YAY!!

Indeed, but usually I can take them and some I like, but this one... it just makes my stomach react for some reason.

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 7, 2005 12:42 am

lol Well, congratulations on NOT moving! LOL!!

See, toxic smells like that just flip my stomach around. I hate the smells in a hospital the worst. [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 7, 2005 8:36 am

Thank you thank you -bows- I would like to thank my mom for not letting our dad get the idea of moving again.... and thats it pretty much.

Yeah, and now I am coincidentally sick and throwing up all the food I haven't eaten. And I would place any amount of money on the bet that it was that darn toxic smell.

Yes, hospital smells are the worst. [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 8, 2005 6:26 am

lol

Oh, I hope you feel better! I hate it when I'm sick. I think mostly because I almost NEVER get sick so when I do, it's worse. @_@

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 8, 2005 4:04 pm

That is how it is with me! When I get sick its horrible because I NEVER get sick. @_@ So it sucks... [emoticon]

Oh well right? I will get better so its all good.

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 9, 2005 2:36 pm

Tis be true! ^_^ That's yet another luvly thing about being always happy, you can always just take it as it comes. ^_^

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 9, 2005 6:25 pm

Oh yes so many perks about being happy that I grow oh so confused why people WANT to be SAD!! Its so.... weird. Oh well, maybe one day we will understand...
OR...
not who knows?

I actually would prefer not findingout really... just let things be as they are.

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 9, 2005 7:54 pm

I know, right? And they WANT to be that way!! @_@ Crazy peoples don't know what their missing. lol!!

Yeah, we'll just go with the flow on this one. [emoticon]

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AnimeBoyToyKoibito  (Reply)

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Aug 9, 2005 8:27 pm

LoL Hey its their own grave their digging no?

Hahaha, going with the flow can have its perks, but sometimes I lie to break said flow, only to later join, and then repeat the process....

Where did that come from?? [emoticon] [emoticon]

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themusicdied  (Reply)

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Aug 9, 2005 8:58 pm

uh-huh!

Oh, I totally understand! That's why I said "with this". lol I go agenst the grane all the time. I walk to the beat of a different drum and it;s wonderful! ^_^

I dunno, but it was fun! lol

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Aug 10, 2005 12:19 am

And we have yet to disagree.... WOO!

YEs, I like to set my own flow after having been in one flow for a bit that way I have followers to come join my flow, then, i stay in that one and when it gets out of Hand i do the same.

Fun or stupid? [emoticon] Because I think that either one will do. ^^

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Aug 10, 2005 5:18 am

lol!! Sounds good to me! lol

Well, if we always just went with someone else we wouldn't have anything special about us. Then we'd be... NORMAL!!! *shreaks* What a horrid thought. @_@ [emoticon]

Hmm... I think in some dictionary on the other side of earth, there's probably a word that's a mix of the two. lol I think that would be right. ^_^

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Aug 10, 2005 11:18 am

[emoticon]

Yes, that is true. And we wouldn't want that because we are special!! Yay!! OMG THAT IS THE FORSAKEN WAORD NEVER SPEAK and/or TYPE IT AGAIN!! -runs away in horror-

Hmmm... then I shall visit this place on teh other side of the earth so I may retrieve said word!!

[emoticon]

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Aug 10, 2005 7:21 pm

LOL!! Oh, that was just to funny! [emoticon]

Cool! I shall come with! [emoticon]

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Aug 10, 2005 8:31 pm

[emoticon] Hey, I just put my nonsesne down and people find it funny. Works for me!! ^.^

Ok, then when shall we find time and money? Because taht is the only way we can make our trip... [emoticon] [emoticon]

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Aug 11, 2005 6:28 am

lol Isn't it luvly when it all works like that. [emoticon]

hmm.... Give me a minute and I'll figure something out. lol

Oh, and I'm going camping from today till Saturday so I won't be on. ^_^

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Aug 14, 2005 3:51 pm

Yes, its so very lovely.

Ok.... -one minute later- Got anything? [emoticon] [emoticon]

Awwww.... but its sunday now.... so your back right? Right??!?! [emoticon] PLEASE SAY YOUR BACK!!!

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Aug 15, 2005 7:07 am

lol Yeah, I'm back.

Oooo!! I kinda know! Could we like, sit on street corners and draw for tips? [emoticon]

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