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I could see that being useful for comics.

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On Dec 22, 2015, BogusRed said:

On Dec 22, 2015, Angelus-Mortis said:

Do you mean forum posts or what? I guess that could work, but then I wonder what the ranks do--is it like a video game achievement or is it useful on this site somehow?

Sorry I forgot to reply to this part. Initially it would just be like a video game achievement. But I had also started developing a system where you'd gain points by being active which you could then trade in to purchase enhanced account features (like the premium account features). Perhaps I could refine that and you could then purchase a rank if you had a certain number of points. This is how dominating12.com does it. You start off at the lowest rank and the more you play games, the more points you get. You can then use those points to purchase higher ranks. But it could be additionally useful here because you could purchase account features (like profile skins, chatbox on profile, etc).

Being able to obtain account features from activity sounds like a nice idea. If they generate activity, people will probably have less of a reason to leave since that was the reason most people stopped coming here.

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On Dec 22, 2015, BogusRed said:

The live stream stuff is interesting. I'll need to research more to see if there's a way to embed a widget that says when a user is currently streaming. Ideally it would be automatic where we'd get your username for livestream or wherever, then we'd poll the api to see if you are currently streaming. If so, we'd display something on your profile to indicate you're currently streaming.

As far as animations, it would be great to integrate with an existing video service (like youtube or vimeo) because hosting video is complicated and expensive. are artists posting their animations on youtube or are they posting them elsewhere?

Most of the people testing Krita animations are posting them on Twitter. I've recently been told Deviantart hosts video formats now. Some of them still post on Newgrounds, but as far as I know, it's still largely for flash stuff and not regular video formats. Furaffinity also allows users to upload flash, but still no video support. Tumblr appears to support video as well, as I see some of the people I watch reblogging posts with videos in them.

Since there's interest for collaborations. Maybe we could organize an event around it? Some ideas:

 

  • all participating artists draw line art and then swap with someone else to do color.
  • artists and writers pair up and artists illustrate cover art for writers stories.
  • (this one might be more complex and harder to organize) All working together to make a comic collaboration between writers and artists. Each artist takes a different page of the comic.

That sounds like a good idea. And I guess because there aren't as many groups here as there are on DA, they'd be much easier to find.

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On Dec 22, 2015, BogusRed said:

On Dec 21, 2015, Angelus-Mortis said:

Maybe another thing you could do is have a livestream feature where people can post their livestream/picarto status. I kind of just forgot to mention that.

Can you tell me more about this? I have no idea what picarto is or what you mean by livestream.

Picarto.tv and Livestream.com offer streaming services where some artists will stream their art in progress live, and people watch them and chat. But it's sometimes difficult to know when people are streaming unless you follow their Tumblr blogs. Newer art galleries like Weasyl have this feature, so if you follow someone in an art gallery, you just view their page and if the artist uses it, it will say they are streaming or not. I guess that's something you could do in your profile easily, but having a separate feature for it makes it easier for people to look for I guess.

On Dec 21, 2015, Angelus-Mortis said:

If you're worried contest participation might be too low, you could perhaps try some other events where you don't have to spend money on prizes. It could be a theme month you use to promote users' artworks. Or a comeback event.

Oh yeah maybe i could do simple contests like "whoever posts the most comments this week gets their work featured. or something like that.

On Dec 21, 2015, Angelus-Mortis said:

I've also noticed some of the affiliates are a bit outdated and haven't updated for years. Maybe you could try and see if you could find affiliates that are more recent? You don't have to get rid of the older ones unless they've moved to another site or something, but affiliation is one method of spreading the word because that's how some people might find your site.

Oh yeah. those are ancient. None of them are getting me traffic right now except for a few per month from pixelgoddess closet. I will get new affiliates.

 

I was talking with my Mom and she had some ideas. Perhaps we could introduce a ranking system. This would encourage members to be more active because they'd gain higher ranks as they posted more. We had a REALLY long discussion about this (11 pages of posts) back in 2007. Perhaps I should just go ahead and implement this because pretty much everyone agreed it was a good idea.

 

Do you mean forum posts or what? I guess that could work, but then I wonder what the ranks do--is it like a video game achievement or is it useful on this site somehow?

 

Some other ideas--we could also allow animations. They don't have to be flash animations though. You could allow other formats like regular mp4 or those free formats. I find a lot of people are moving towards regular movie formats and away from flash. You might be able to attract a few Krita users this way. Krita is recently experimenting with and will be soon rolling out more stable animation features, and there are already lots of people using it, even though it's a beta feature. I think most people are posting Krita animations as gifs though.

 

Collabs would be a good idea. I am noticing that the groups feature isn't being used much. I wonder if it can be expanded to include groups for collabs, art trades, etc? Might make it easier for people looking for that stuff. Or even commissions too. Maybe at this point it might not be attractive because people will want to be using features where there are people actively using it. But no harm done in offering it anyways.

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Ja, I guess this site could use more activity. I mean I can understand people not wanting to stay because it feels discouraging when you upload something here and people don't comment on it because it feels like this site is dead. I just stay here though because I like the site itself. On the other hand, I prefer it to be more active without being as active as DA. That would be difficult to manage.

I guess the only thing people can do is spread the word. If people knew you were still maintaining this site, and people still come here, then that's at least a sign it's still active.

Maybe another thing you could do is have a livestream feature where people can post their livestream/picarto status. I kind of just forgot to mention that.

If you're worried contest participation might be too low, you could perhaps try some other events where you don't have to spend money on prizes. It could be a theme month you use to promote users' artworks. Or a comeback event.

I've also noticed some of the affiliates are a bit outdated and haven't updated for years. Maybe you could try and see if you could find affiliates that are more recent? You don't have to get rid of the older ones unless they've moved to another site or something, but affiliation is one method of spreading the word because that's how some people might find your site.

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I'm actually fairly happy with the way Paperdemon is right now. It allows you to put diacritics in the titles, which you can't do in DA (but then again, that problem may only be specific to DA, because lots of other sites I'm on right now let you do that).

I guess a possible suggestion would be to streamline the gallery request section where you ask for new categories (eg, what medium your work is in, genre, themes, etc.). Right now, users have to send an e-mail to you if we want to add a new category. I thought it might be more convenient if there's a form that users automatically fill out and send to you. Either on the same submit page or with a link to the form.

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Oh boy, DA, where to start...

Apparently, it's the only art gallery I know of where you're not allowed to put umlauts in your titles. Why ever, I have no idea. There was one other site I was on that had this problem, but that was due to an encoding issue, and not simply being prevented from having a title with umlauts at all. I think it's been fixed by now. And other people have been complaining about this issue since 2009, and it still hasn't been addressed.

They handled the beta testing of the new submit page rather poorly and made regular members beta test it. I was unable to submit anything for a long time because my Internet connection was too slow for it. Like, what's the point of having a glorified beta tester position if you're not going to use it?

I'm not a premium member, and the premium features have never really interested me enough to buy a subscription, and I know what beta testing entails, and don't want that role on DA. But still, I get to put up with this: http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/180/4/d/profile_picture_by_angelus_tenebrae-d55eezi.jpg

Because apparently, everyone who doesn't have a premium membership wants one.

Most of the artwork on DA is unimpressive. Of course there are some good artwork you can find with the help of some elite groups and so on, but in general, the search is horrible, so don't be surprised if you end up with mediocre Sonic fanart or Disney stuff when searching for more classical subjects. As a thought experiment, I changed the settings on DA to show the latest works rather than the best ones, and the great majority of artwork that shows up are cheap copies/traces of official artwork from various cartoons, manga/anime or video games, poorly taken mobile phone selfies (sometimes nude) with bad lighting and poor contrast/sharpness, ugly, half-assed sketches that would go better under scraps, or other works that look to me like no care or effort was put into them. It may just be me, because I'm a hard person to impress, but I have better luck on sites like HF, Pixiv and even Tumblr.

DA is one of the worst places to get critique from. Almost no one leaves you constructive critique; they just like to leave one liner comments. The premium critique feature is stupid and redundant. There are critique groups, but they're either poorly managed, don't have enough people offering the critique, or done on an exchange basis, which is almost never a good enough incentive for good critique. There is only one place on DA that is even remotely worth getting constructive critique from, and it's a chat group, but probably won't offer critique for NSFW stuff, being that it's DA's rules. 

The only reason I'm still there is primarily for advertising. I have had a few people ask me if I would let them use some of my Gauss pictures for their groups, or the mathematicians picture for some math related event. I once got an interview from a Brazillian Nintendo fan site because I was on DA. And I do have a few friends who only know me through DA. But I guess that's not really surprising; DA feels more to me like a social network than an art community.

I'm childfree, so I can't tell you what it's like to have children of your own, but I've had one parent who expresses some interest in art, and my experience of it is that she didn't seem to have much time for it, or didn't bother to manage it that well. It wasn't until I was in university away from home that she signed up for watercolor classes. And I think she was someone good at art, as a few relatives on her side have said so. However, when we were younger, I noticed she didn't spend a lot of time doing art. I think she did do crafts with us a few times, but most of the time, she would just buy us one of those toy arts and crafts kits or art books, and let us work on it alone or with friends. Whenever she did do it with us, it was kid friendly art. And she was basically only there to supervise us; I don't feel like she had anything to do with the art process itself. Anytime I did any drawing, she wouldn't be involved. I get the impression that this is either because she noticed I often preferred to do things alone or because she was too busy to do any art with me. Or it wasn't the kind of art she was interested in. I think she might also have been afraid that I would make a mess if she bought paints. And I think she might have bought a few art supplies or had some yarn balls for knitting from before, but I rarely ever saw her make anything with them. I get the impression that she's too busy to do any of these things, but bought them at some time because she had wanted to do it, but it just didn't work out. And it's not like she was raising six or seven kids at once either; it was just me and my brother. Between looking after us and the house and trying to maintain a social life, she didn't seem to have much free time for art. But that's just my experience of it. Maybe she's not as keen about art as you or anyone else is, so it might not be an issue to other parents with similar interests in art.

The only other advice I can offer on this is to continue to see what other people's experiences on this is, and if you find starting a family isn't compatible with your art interests, you are not obligated to have children. I'm only saying this because so few people realize this. People just don't realize that not having kids at all is a completely viable option.

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I would like to suggest ConceptArt, but it's not for the faint of heart, and I don't use it. However, I just learn stuff by looking up reference images and other resources online. Although I would say I get it mostly from studying reference images, where I study and analyze the images for details such as anatomy, placement of lighting, use of color, and relate it back to the physics and biology that describe how the objects look and appear in a given environment.

I would also like to suggest another place that's good for critique, especially when it comes to human anatomy, except it's NSFW, and you won't expect it: Hentai Foundry's forums. I learned plenty about drawing women by posting on their constructive critique forums.

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I think the best thing you can do is not require users to give the site any details regarding real name, real contact information, identity papers/cards, etc. Of course you're not already doing that, but sites like Facebook do this, and that's a step against transparency, which is one of the best ways in which people are able to continue posting porn and never having their family or co-workers find out about it. Beyond that, I suppose there might be a few close family members who have seen your art and could possibly recognize your art from its style, if it's unique enough, or they might see artwork from you in your gallery in real life, and associate it with the other stuff you draw but haven't shown them. In which case, having options for not having red curtain artwork appear on Google searches is a good idea.