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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 3:46 pm

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I hate girls who have been dreaming about their wedding since they were 5 years old. Ever since I was 5 all I can dream about is cartoons and tv. Heck my dreams are cartoons and tv. My anime dreams are the most popular.

Marriage is Not about having the Perfect Wedding! It is a Commiment that You and Your Significant Other Are Willing To Work In Order to last for a Long Time! A Weddng Is Not A Marriage! Before You Start Making Your Wedding Plans Ask the person you are Marrying what he or she wants! What if he or she doesn't want the same thing that you want in the wedding? What if he or she just want a simple wedding with just family and friends. Try making a comprimise. A marriage should be just about the two of you. If you're getting married just to have the big fancy wedding and a big fancy party while your fiancee is just for the decorative piece of your life, then your marriage is doom from the start.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 3:53 pm

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I totally agree with you there. Very wise words here. Hopefully ppl won't think about marriages like that.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 4:10 pm

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Don't knock fantasy. As cliche as a perfect wedding is, dreams are what forms a person and their drive. Take dreams of marriage away from little girls and then you have the "why bother"

Marraige to girls is stability. Grown up. Like Mum and Dad. We are all role models. Dream of marriage I say. It's these natral instincts that will make them into caring people that will try for perfection. Some don't get it sure- but don't stop the many more that will.

They will grow out of the perfection stage as they get older, but it'll augment into ideal- the realistic version which is better. Without standards, their life will be not worth fighting for.

So, go dreams of granduer I say. I'm a dreamer. I don't lie about it. It's my best feature. I pity those that don't see the positive side of things

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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 10:00 pm

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shadowdragonsphinx: Thank, I'm glad you feel that way [emoticon]

arkillian: I'm not saying that I want girls to stop dreaming of marriage. If they do dream of being married that that's great. Just as long as the person they are marrying is part of that dream. They just have to remember that a marriage is not a wedding.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 11:26 pm

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On Aug 13, 2006 10:00 pm, Animeiac said:

shadowdragonsphinx: Thank, I'm glad you feel that way [emoticon]

arkillian: I'm not saying that I want girls to stop dreaming of marriage. If they do dream of being married that that's great. Just as long as the person they are marrying is part of that dream. They just have to remember that a marriage is not a wedding.



I think dreaming of the perfect guy is great too in this case. They never ARE perfect, but perfection is something wonderfull to aim for ^^

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 10:48 am

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I'm just curious, Animeiac, where did this come from?

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 11:28 am

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I've dreamed of the perfect wedding since I was three, lol. I've always loved beautiful dresses and the pomp and ceremony involved in weddings.

But Arkillian is right: marriage means stability to a lot of girls. Many girls go to college just to find guys to marry, not because they actually want a college education. This is especially prevelant in Christian colleges. My cousin was telling me about these girls he's met, saying "They're just Christian girls going to a Christian college to find a Christian guy to have a Christian marriage and make Christian babies." And a lot of girls have a similar view point, Christian, agnostic, athiest, Islamic, etc. They want to get married to have a guy who will look after them.

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 1:02 pm

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I shouldn't be messing with a gurl discussion but I have to agree with Animeiac. A wedding costs rediculious much money for only to sai 'I do'. Al a mariage needs is a signature from the male and the female.when thats done your officiall married an can call yourself husband and wife. No need for expensive crap or the so called white dress and tuxedo.

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 1:21 pm

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I think that the reason that people dream and wish for all this fancy stuff in their weddings is because they want to make sure that this day is memorable, that the day you officially intertwine yourself with that person that you said "yes" or "Will you Marry me?" to, will not be  a later regret to you that you did not make it a better vision, a better memory to keep.

Life is full of memories and I believe everyone wants their memories to be something they can always hold on to.  So We dream of our big beautiful white dresses and our tuxedos, and our large fancy balls, in hopes that maybe these things will become sweet memories of ours to keep forever.

I sure can say I want to have beautiful memories in my life.  And beauty comes in different ways to people, so maybe a big thing isnt what they want, or maybe something completely secluded.  Its just up to a person themselves, I guess.

But just because you feel its unnecsessary or that its quite silly, doesnt mean that its the same to someone else.  Dreams are used for just that.  Dreaming.

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 1:37 pm

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All of this is pretty much good things to say I think :3
For me, I've never dreamt about a big fancy wedding, I'm not girly like that.. I dreamt one day I'd find 'the perfect guy' who would accept everything I do and just be with me and care about me and the things I love. I did'nt care about the wedding.. But now.. that I have found my perfect one I wanted (i call him perfect because he is as perfect as he needs to be), I can't wait for my marriage to him (why?) .. because a wedding is about love and when the wedding happens I will be married to him forever, and to be with him forever like we were meant to, with our love, is what I sooooo love to day dream of... *3* It is what I want more than anything. On the wedding,the whole day will be about US and our love.. It will be so awesome :3
That's what I think of weddings and marriages. I hope I made sense.. XD

Posted: Aug 14, 2006 2:08 pm

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Do people really need a memory? Is it nessesary to pay a huge amount of money just for a memmory?? I dont thinks its worht it. The preperations, the date, the place, the dominic, the clothing all for a memoy? Sorry if I think its creul what I'm saying but marigde is all A piece of crap!!. A memory rite? I had once a a wedding of my aunt. She also didn't want the big maridge but it still came.  family of all moroco came to our place.We had enough space(for the geusts) For me and my brother? nothin!!. We had to sleep on the floor with no sheet.I prefered to stay up all nite.than sleeping on the floor. And When all the preperations were done . Wich I and my brother had done the most toghether with my mom. We came at the place were the ceremony was. And they all started to eat I mean finished with eating. Theire was nothin left. I couldn't tale a shouwer of all people that came. SO I didn't feel good. And At the end the hosts of the place(were the wedding was) started to trow poeple out cuz of the noise. And One of them was my mom and one was my lil brother who worked so hard. And my aunt who didn't want to marry was the most angry of all. She had To do the stuff like walking and dressing up. She hated it all. She had an ugly fae the whole day. And you say we should memorize this. Oh don't worry.... I memorized this alrite. Onlly not as a happly wedding. as a cruel day with a lot of family. You who mostly are only a geusst have the tme of theire life and a lot of  fun and dancing. But you dont see the trouble it makes too other poeple. My entire familie had a good time But my nome family who are the closest to them have suffered with great stress. So O think you see know Why I dont like wedding so much while you can also be a man an wife just to sign a paper without all the preperation. You get no acknolegdement of what you did.

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 2:40 pm

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emmet849: I remember some tv episodes where they have a couple of women saying to the men they wanted to marry about how they dreamed and planned their wedding day since they were five.

Lyude: I'm glad that you understand [emoticon]

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 3:26 pm

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On Aug 14, 2006 2:08 pm, Lyude said:
Do people really need a memory? Is it nessesary to pay a huge amount of money just for a memmory?? I dont thinks its worht it. The preperations, the date, the place, the dominic, the clothing all for a memoy? Sorry if I think its creul what I'm saying but marigde is all A piece of crap!!. A memory rite? I had once a a wedding of my aunt. She also didn't want the big maridge but it still came.  family of all moroco came to our place.We had enough space(for the geusts) For me and my brother? nothin!!. We had to sleep on the floor with no sheet.I prefered to stay up all nite.than sleeping on the floor. And When all the preperations were done . Wich I and my brother had done the most toghether with my mom. We came at the place were the ceremony was. And they all started to eat I mean finished with eating. Theire was nothin left. I couldn't tale a shouwer of all people that came. SO I didn't feel good. And At the end the hosts of the place(were the wedding was) started to trow poeple out cuz of the noise. And One of them was my mom and one was my lil brother who worked so hard. And my aunt who didn't want to marry was the most angry of all. She had To do the stuff like walking and dressing up. She hated it all. She had an ugly fae the whole day. And you say we should memorize this. Oh don't worry.... I memorized this alrite. Onlly not as a happly wedding. as a cruel day with a lot of family. You who mostly are only a geusst have the tme of theire life and a lot of  fun and dancing. But you dont see the trouble it makes too other poeple. My entire familie had a good time But my nome family who are the closest to them have suffered with great stress. So O think you see know Why I dont like wedding so much while you can also be a man an wife just to sign a paper without all the preperation. You get no acknolegdement of what you did.


Woah- such alot of bitterness in such a small area of text!! Hon, you may have been burned by that, but don't write it off due to one experiance!! Yes- planning a big event puts strain on people. Yes, sacrifices have to be made for comfort to accompany visitors, but you know what- without that planning, all it is a couple of vows, a signature and that's it. You've just joined a guy for the rest of your life and its no big deal.

No big deal- that's what you're saying right? That a milestone in your life is no big deal? Two people totally in love with eachother showing their dedication for eachother to the whole world is nothing? What you just said bipassed the money issue and said "why bother?". If you said why bother spending money, then sure. Budget the day- you'll look back and regreat it if noone took photos but sometimes you have to do that if you don't have enough money. They thirple the price of everything as soon as you say wedding cause the fact people will pay for a happy memory. You could cut out all the out of area relatives that would like to have used the wedding as an excuse to see everyone in the family again- but save on space used by lack of bedding and shower time, but if you cut all that out- what's the point?

Hon- you may have bad experiances with it, but think of the good side. I may be use to poor sleeping/living conditions cause I do alot of camping and hiking, but I'm sure that shouldn't be a major reason to not have a wedding. I'm not growling you or anything. If you don't see the golden side of love, then that's your choice. Love is more than just a memory of a day- its the feelings on the day that the wedding makes. I just want you to know that.

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 8:16 pm

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Hmmm, interesting perspective here.  Anyone mind if I add my own?  First let me explain where I'm coming from.  I'm 23 and have been with my bf for 7 years.  This is the first point in our relationship where getting married has ever really been an option.  We have now both graduated from college and have started careers, so now all that's left is for me to get my health together and my bf to propose.  Now before you start jumping to conclusions, I am in no hurry to get married at all.  I'm perfectly content with our relationship and I'm not in a big hurry to change things, in fact we've discussed not getting married at all.  In the end, we decided that we wanted to (which came mostly from his side) because we wanted to make a complete legal and religious commitment to each other.

Now, I never even considered what my wedding would be like until just recently.  I actually never thought I would get married, I mean who in their right mind would marry me?  LOL.  Now that I'm creeping closer to that, I have been thinking about it from time to time.

I completely agree that a ceremony doesn not make a marriage.  Love, honesty, trust, commitment, these make a marriage.  On the other hand, because I love my bf, I want to make the day memorable...not extravagant, memorable and special.  It's the day when we officially stop being 2 seperate people and start acting as one.  We will start sharing finances, thinking about children, buy a house together, start being responsible and accountable to more than just our selves as individuals.  We were both believe that marriage is a forever deal, and that's what we want to commemorate.

Do I want to spend gads of dollars on an extravagant and ridiculous wedding where nothing will go as I plan it?  NO WAY!!  Frankly I'd rather spend the money on a honeymoon.  I want a nice, small, relaxed wedding outside in some scenic place.  This in and of itself has caused issues because my ideal place would be on Lake Michigan.  This just isn't realistic, however, because where I want the wedding to be, there are no hotels and getting family to come would be an issue as it would be expensive and most of both our families are in Colorado.  So, even though I would love nothing more than to get married bare foot, on the beach, at sunset, I don't think it would work.

At this point, I don't really know exactly what I want, which is fine with me, I'll panic and go bridezilla when he proposes and whenever that happens is fine.  It can be tomorrow or another 7 years from now.

I will say, however, that as silly as it may seem, memories are extrememly important to me, so yes, having a ceremony is important.  I want to celebrate the moment and a new beginning.  I don't need a lot of pomp and circumstance, in fact, I hope to avoid it, but I do want to make if a special occasion because it will only happen once.  I think the commitment and the celebration of our love deserves more than a trip to the court house, but it should also be a reflection of who we are.  So I definately agree that the wedding should be discussed and planned by both parties and not by others or just one part of the couple.

And that's my 2 cents...although it was probably worth less than that. 

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 9:00 pm

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I think, sometimes, people get too caught up with an image than the image's meaning.

hopefully that made sense.

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 9:05 pm

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Emmet- Your point is exactly my thoughts. Marriage is good. People tend to lose sight of this and spend heap of unneeded money, but you do need to put a certain amount in cause what is a wedding without a bit of prettyness- 10 years from your marriage you'll look back at the photos and think- that was worth it. Every moment of your life should be glorious. DEFINETLY spure on the honeymoon though. THAT is as good as it gets [emoticon]

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 9:21 pm

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On Aug 14, 2006 8:16 pm, emmet849 said:

Hmmm, interesting perspective here.  Anyone mind if I add my own?  First let me explain where I'm coming from.  I'm 23 and have been with my bf for 7 years.  This is the first point in our relationship where getting married has ever really been an option.  We have now both graduated from college and have started careers, so now all that's left is for me to get my health together and my bf to propose.  Now before you start jumping to conclusions, I am in no hurry to get married at all.  I'm perfectly content with our relationship and I'm not in a big hurry to change things, in fact we've discussed not getting married at all.  In the end, we decided that we wanted to (which came mostly from his side) because we wanted to make a complete legal and religious commitment to each other.

Now, I never even considered what my wedding would be like until just recently.  I actually never thought I would get married, I mean who in their right mind would marry me?  LOL.  Now that I'm creeping closer to that, I have been thinking about it from time to time.

I completely agree that a ceremony doesn not make a marriage.  Love, honesty, trust, commitment, these make a marriage.  On the other hand, because I love my bf, I want to make the day memorable...not extravagant, memorable and special.  It's the day when we officially stop being 2 seperate people and start acting as one.  We will start sharing finances, thinking about children, buy a house together, start being responsible and accountable to more than just our selves as individuals.  We were both believe that marriage is a forever deal, and that's what we want to commemorate.

Do I want to spend gads of dollars on an extravagant and ridiculous wedding where nothing will go as I plan it?  NO WAY!!  Frankly I'd rather spend the money on a honeymoon.  I want a nice, small, relaxed wedding outside in some scenic place.  This in and of itself has caused issues because my ideal place would be on Lake Michigan.  This just isn't realistic, however, because where I want the wedding to be, there are no hotels and getting family to come would be an issue as it would be expensive and most of both our families are in Colorado.  So, even though I would love nothing more than to get married bare foot, on the beach, at sunset, I don't think it would work.

At this point, I don't really know exactly what I want, which is fine with me, I'll panic and go bridezilla when he proposes and whenever that happens is fine.  It can be tomorrow or another 7 years from now.

I will say, however, that as silly as it may seem, memories are extrememly important to me, so yes, having a ceremony is important.  I want to celebrate the moment and a new beginning.  I don't need a lot of pomp and circumstance, in fact, I hope to avoid it, but I do want to make if a special occasion because it will only happen once.  I think the commitment and the celebration of our love deserves more than a trip to the court house, but it should also be a reflection of who we are.  So I definately agree that the wedding should be discussed and planned by both parties and not by others or just one part of the couple.

And that's my 2 cents...although it was probably worth less than that. 

Actually this is more worth than all of the money in the world. I feel what you are doing right now is reasonable, but don't shoot yourself down. Your boyfriend stayed with you for seven years. That's more than a celebirty marriage.

It's okay for your not rushing into marriage or not getting married at all. It's your life.

If you and your boyfriend ever do decide to get married I hope you two will talk about it and work out some differences. You have my support [emoticon]

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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 10:03 pm

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Thank you!  I absolutely agree with you.  I would never plan a wedding without his equal support and input.  It's his day too afterall, and I want him to enjoy it and include the things that are important to him as well as what's important to me. [emoticon]

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Posted: Aug 15, 2006 1:49 am

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On Aug 14, 2006 3:26 pm, arkillian said:

On Aug 14, 2006 2:08 pm, Lyude said:
Do people really need a memory? Is it nessesary to pay a huge amount of money just for a memmory?? I dont thinks its worht it. The preperations, the date, the place, the dominic, the clothing all for a memoy? Sorry if I think its creul what I'm saying but marigde is all A piece of crap!!. A memory rite? I had once a a wedding of my aunt. She also didn't want the big maridge but it still came.  family of all moroco came to our place.We had enough space(for the geusts) For me and my brother? nothin!!. We had to sleep on the floor with no sheet.I prefered to stay up all nite.than sleeping on the floor. And When all the preperations were done . Wich I and my brother had done the most toghether with my mom. We came at the place were the ceremony was. And they all started to eat I mean finished with eating. Theire was nothin left. I couldn't tale a shouwer of all people that came. SO I didn't feel good. And At the end the hosts of the place(were the wedding was) started to trow poeple out cuz of the noise. And One of them was my mom and one was my lil brother who worked so hard. And my aunt who didn't want to marry was the most angry of all. She had To do the stuff like walking and dressing up. She hated it all. She had an ugly fae the whole day. And you say we should memorize this. Oh don't worry.... I memorized this alrite. Onlly not as a happly wedding. as a cruel day with a lot of family. You who mostly are only a geusst have the tme of theire life and a lot of  fun and dancing. But you dont see the trouble it makes too other poeple. My entire familie had a good time But my nome family who are the closest to them have suffered with great stress. So O think you see know Why I dont like wedding so much while you can also be a man an wife just to sign a paper without all the preperation. You get no acknolegdement of what you did.


Woah- such alot of bitterness in such a small area of text!! Hon, you may have been burned by that, but don't write it off due to one experiance!! Yes- planning a big event puts strain on people. Yes, sacrifices have to be made for comfort to accompany visitors, but you know what- without that planning, all it is a couple of vows, a signature and that's it. You've just joined a guy for the rest of your life and its no big deal.

No big deal- that's what you're saying right? That a milestone in your life is no big deal? Two people totally in love with eachother showing their dedication for eachother to the whole world is nothing? What you just said bipassed the money issue and said "why bother?". If you said why bother spending money, then sure. Budget the day- you'll look back and regreat it if noone took photos but sometimes you have to do that if you don't have enough money. They thirple the price of everything as soon as you say wedding cause the fact people will pay for a happy memory. You could cut out all the out of area relatives that would like to have used the wedding as an excuse to see everyone in the family again- but save on space used by lack of bedding and shower time, but if you cut all that out- what's the point?

Hon- you may have bad experiances with it, but think of the good side. I may be use to poor sleeping/living conditions cause I do alot of camping and hiking, but I'm sure that shouldn't be a major reason to not have a wedding. I'm not growling you or anything. If you don't see the golden side of love, then that's your choice. Love is more than just a memory of a day- its the feelings on the day that the wedding makes. I just want you to know that.
What I was trying to say is that even if I had a good time. Other people who have done the most won't. Nobody thinks: lets wait till they come or lets thank them for it. I dont mind If I didný get thanked. but I do mind that they trew my mom and my lil bro out. They have done the most of all. And they got nothin. My mom ended up angry and pissed off home drinking some coffee. And My lil bro ended up angry and went home to his grandfather and grandmother who are boring ass hell. And he, and  he said Better here than with those unthankfull poeple theire. It may be one expierience but This experience everyone has at every wedding when you do the preperaitions. Maybe on a day your sister or brother get maried and you'll just see how much you have to do.

Sacrifices? This were sacrefices that wern't nessesary.They could wait a small 30 minutes. Thy could trow out the uninvited geusts. They could just say : you've don a good job. And they said : Get out of my way I want to see the bruid. I understand wy poeple want a wedding. The happy memory with you future husband/wife. And you'll be happy.BULLSHIT!!!!!! You say this and yet most of the poeple who are married are going to get devorsed. Like my parents who were fighting every night when I was a kid. I still have the memories: My father yelling at my mom and my mom yelling at my dad.. You wasted all that money TO marry a man/woman who you gonna hate.that really makes me a lil sick.

I understand That I must look on the good side. ANd believe me I tried. Every time I remeber the wedding I see hapy dancing little childeren. Than I see My entire familie having a good time. When I Look back I see my mother arguing with one of the place caretakers. ANd  I see all the plate are empry and my stomach burnt of hunger. SO it Impossible to only look at it the good side.  (look at the good side) The good side cant allways remain. The bad side will take over.

Sorry for this I'll stop postin on this topic(maybe) It makes me too angry and bittered. [emoticon]

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Posted: Aug 15, 2006 6:14 am

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This is ok. You had a bad experiance. It can be hard. People get stressed, but the bride and groom had a memorable experiance, and that's what counts. Post apokolyptic scars heal over time ^^ Or maybe I'm just too positive XD

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