You want advanced critique?

There's a heap of us here at Paperdemon that want critique but don't get it, so I'm going to make a plee.

If you want critique- Tell us what you want critique ON

So many people are labelling thier art as advance critique- mostly people that are either really good, or just starting out with art seriously. All of you need to tell us what you want crit on. Improvement? Light? Form? Balance?

All you pros out there... and there are a few of you... We can't crit you if you don't tell us somewhere to start. If you say "I'm not sure about the lighting, we can go "Its great, btu maybe this could be better"

In the end- we can't help you improve at art till you give us somewhere to start. Just labelling something as Roast me isn't enough.

On the opposite end of the scale- you want to be roasted but are scared of the grumpy critiques that are a bit to blunt about your art? Say you want critique but be nice about it.

Seriously peoples- Most of us want to help you get better. We just don't know what you're wanting help on.

Humour us members IF you don't tell us what to look for, we can only assume that you want crit on the WHOLE pic, and that is VERY daunting to alot of people cause they don't know how to critique.

On a final note-

Post a comment in this forum if you want critique on a picture

 

I'm more than happy to critique anyone- gallery and all if I must, but I keep getting people that label things wrong and don't want critique. If you post a pic here, or say that you want a gallery crit, then I'll try my best, or someone else may do. Note down if you don't mind a priblic crit or not I prefure a public one cause others know what has been suggested, but some people ARE shy

Ummm... some of us don't feel comfortable critquing something we think is really good...  I've run across several of those around here & let me tell you that "roast me" can be daunting when trying to come up with something.^^;  I was always taught that if you cna't say soemthing nice, better to not say anything at all.  I guess that why my comments seem to get ignored. ^^;

And even art that most people, artist included, think needs help, unless there's something glaringly wrong with it, I can't even find something to comment on as I happen to like the "primative" look to it. To me it's a style of art that later on can be thought of as the artist's "primative period." I never went to art school, so I know nothing about lighting angles, perspective & stuff like that.

So it's quite possible that the lack of crit comes from peopel here who are like me, we have no clue as to what to say when someone wants it. And what's wrong with saying we can't find any flaws? ^^; That's got to mean something, no?

And please, I don't want anyone commenting on my art unless they want to. What I have up here is for my own pleasure as I see it as a hobby or something to do when i can't think of anything else. I'm not looking for "perfection."

Here here, Ark!!  *applauds* I've been going through and puting what I want to discuss on my 'roast' images.  I hope that helps people who want to get better at crits.

A suggestion to those who are daunted by a 'roast' crit.  When I find myself at a loss because I think the image is wonderful I crit on what the art makes me feel.  I ask questions - for instance:  ' I noticed you used a dark background - it really makes the image dark and brooding.  Was that your intention? I really like that'  Start a dialogue. Crits don't always have to be about what you don't like.  Discussing what thrills you about a piece is just as exciting as a negative crit. 

To Susie/Mods: Perhaps an explanation that 'roast' also includes deep discussion of both posative and negative elements. The roast invites discussion of all aspects!  If you love it - tell me why!

On Sep 24, 2007 12:15 pm, Sliverbane said:

Thank you Silverbane for that suggestion. I often say that I like something, but I get the feeling that's not what the artists is looking for, so I've been feeling at loss for what to do. I will, thanks to your suggestion, continue it because who knows, maybe they'll repsond back.

Hi there!

I know exactly what you mean about this whole critiquing thing. It's actually really hard to help someone out sometimes. And sometimes I feel like I shouldn't voice my thoughts simply because I feel as if I'm not good enough for it (as in not much better at drawing, I mean). That's a ridiculous view of things, but.. I can't help it. XP

Anyway. I would love it if you could take a look at my gallery and give me some good advice on anatomy! The last drawing I did (the one called +Melvin Dance+) turned out allright, but I used a reference for it, so I don't know.. I'd really like to improve, so any help is appreciated. Just.. be nice about it?

Thanks in advance!

Hmm...I can get what you mean...The trouble for me to critique is that most of the time when I critique, the artist always return with either a friendly reply or one that flame me about why I said those "harsh words". I mean, they did ask for critiques, but they treat people who gives them critiqes with hostility.......Quite the contradiction.

Anyways, I am a starter, so hope you can give critiques on some of my artworks in the gallery. I want critiques more based on anatomy and coloring schemes. Thanks ^^

I understand what you're saying. I have never had any kind if formal training as an artist. I am self taught and hae been drawing for 46 years.

I always check *roast me* not because I want to know if anyone see's a mistake that I didn't see or can give me advice on how to improve or maybe it would have looked better if you had done this that and the other.

All of my art is line art and all I have to go by as to how good it is or isn't is by what people tell me. I just want to see honest opinion's about my art.

And while I don't mind an honest opinion I do mind how you say it. Don't be hateful.

On Nov 9, 2007 12:59 pm, Wayne55 said:

You've confused me a bit here- so you mark it as Roast me but you don't want to be roasted? That's really annouying I'm sorry. I try my best to go through as much roast gallery stuff as I can and give helpfull critique for everyone. I can't help it if my roasting is on the lines of "Start with the basics" and "You need to put more effort in" That's what an advance crit is. If you want a nice happy responce to say someone looked and liked it, you need to chose comfort food.

I would critique more, but I seem to run into 'potluck' marked images more than anything else. But when I do run into candy coated or roast, I do offer tips and also my complements on the image (I don't like sounding harsh to people, simply because that's not me). I've marked all my artwork as Candy Coated, because I want critism, but not a whole lot. Also, because I figured no one liked my stuff before (had it on potluck) because no one commented on my work. So I changed most of my gallery to Candy Coated, and I'm still not recieving any comments or critiques. It seems like everyone prefers the new computer done art over traditional, at least to me. So I'm wondering why I even bother to continue posting stuff in my gallery if no one's critiquing. 

Ark - Wayne's wording is a bit odd in his paragraph, but believe me - he doesn't mind a roasting at all, as long as you don't say anything totally rude or hateful.  I've roasted him many a time, and only ever receive genuine thanks in return.    Saigith - I'm heading over to your gallery now.  It may be hard in a community like this that grew so large nearly overnight for those like Arkillian and I who actually give critiques to find people.  One strategic way of getting someone to critique your work is to find out who leaves critiques on other artists' work.  Then go to the critiquer's gallery and comment yourself.

The trouble with many communities I find is that many people receive, but never ever give in return.  Since becoming a moderator, my critique volume has slowed down due to time constraints - but if someone asks me for a critique, I will always give them one - even if it takes me a while to get around to it. 

I don't know about others but often when I click Roast me its because I know there is something wrong with my image or there is room to improve but I don't know where. I don't know if its the colours, lighting, line work or what not. If I already know what is wrong with my picture then I don't need to ask to be roasted. Instead I put it on pot luck and then go to people I know who have allot of skill in that area and ask them.
So yah, I hope that makes sense.

I would post here to have one of my pictures critiqued but like I said, I don't know what is wrong with it to ask for something pacific. I just know it could be better.

I think many times the problem with artists that ask for advances critiques, is that they don't really appreciate what that means.  Critiques are intended to help the aritist improve upon skills regardless of what level they are at, but some aritists are only really interested in ego stroking commentary and get offended if you leave anything negative.  I don't think they really get the concept of "helpful criticism" at all.  They need to chose the right option for critiques and hopefully things like this thread will help them do so.

Saigith- you do realise that there is a special gallery for roast mes- right? It's under the drop down menu when you select that you only want current or original, or whatever art. If you select that, it'll ONLY show roast mes VERY helpful for people like me that like to help out. (It can get a bit mass like when someone submits a heap of pics to that section). Just an FYI

Be carefull with candy coated for critique- not alot of people that can *actually* critique can lay it down nicely cause really- what is critique? Telling what you did right and wrong and how to fix it. With candy coating, you truncate it down to what you did right, and that's not the whole answer.

In the end, if you want me to critique you on visual appeal so that people will pay attention to your art more, I can do that, but be prepared that you may not want to hear it if you don't like harsh critique. I am truthfull, but if you need *alot* of improvement (I say this not seeing your gallery yet), then I'll have alot to say.

Minimaid- You're always so much better at seeing stuff like this than me ^^ That's a roast me if he doesn't mind hearing bad stuff. I dont' think there's ANY reason to be curt to the person you're critiqing. IF you're helping them out, you shouldn't need to berate them. The easiest way to not berate someone is to offer a wy of correcting their flaw, or giving a compliment. If you can't do that, then you should reconsider critiquing cause positive points of a pic is JUST as important as the negative. So you know to try something again.

In saying this, don't become vanilla and never change from what works.... XD Don't want that ^^

Kenji- That makes alot of sense to me ^^ You dont' want a roast on a pic you know is full of flaws or you didn't put your everything into ^^ I do that myself

As for critique, if you want crit on a specific thing like anatomy, then you should probably link pics, but if you want a general crit then a gallery crit is best. I'll take a look when I have a spare 1/2 hour or something (T.T It takes so looooong It's worth it though if it helps) See what I can find for you ^^

Pazazz- I agree T.T I spend HEAPS of time on my crit and some people argue that I'm wrong or ignore it. It's my veiw- I they don't want to hear it then they shouldn't ask. This is however only 5% of the crits I give end up like this though There still is hope ^^

 WAH!! Too many responces ^^; I should reply quicker next time ^^; Luls