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arkillian

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Copics you can refill for dirt cheep- the initial pen is expensive, they have 3 nibs, and their ink is rich and low bleed. Neopiko are one shots for the beginner colourist and when you run out of ink, you have to buy a new pen. Apparently tey don't last that long.

In the end, is it something you like? If so, go copic for the long run. for lols? Go Neopiko. Just make sure you colour on bleed proof paper. Zeta is great for this- just not a cartridge paper. They're very porous.

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Ahaa... I THOUGHT there must be a catch somewhere when it came to the neopikos! D:

And I'm not sure if it's something I like, so that's also a bit of a problem.. :/ But I do think I'd enjoy drawing with markers. I've wanted to try them out since forever. D:

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Oh, and what about Copic Ciao? Are those refillable or not..?

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On Jul 22, 2008 6:38 am, Jeica said:

Oh, and what about Copic Ciao? Are those refillable or not..?

Donno- I'm aware of Copic the brand, Electraset Tria, Promarkers, and of course, neopiko. I know Copic and Tria are refillable, Promarker and Neopiko aren't.

Just checked- they can be apparently. Hope it helps ^^

(PS- you can edit your post insteed of double posting)

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I've always used Prisma for colored pencils. Their markers are cheaper here in the US, maybe they're the same over there? I know Prisma is a good brand too. I don't know about refills, but buying them individually is ok. I'd start with a set though. Build up on the baisics, that's how I did with my pencils.

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I heard the Prisma markers blead like crazy and aren't any good.

I'd recommend any time starting with a new medium to just buy a few markers of the same hue (light blue, medium blue, dark blue, black) then try doing some monochrome artwork and see how you like the medium. if its going alright, then invest in the set. It's best to start off cheap to establish whether or not you like the medium. That way if you end up not liking it, you aren't out 90 euros

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What ever happened to DESIGN Markers. That was a great brand. Didn't even leave over pring when you passed over same color twice. I also like that attachment they had for the markers to the Canister Air, that would make the markers into a spray gun; almost like an airbrush.

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arkillian; oh crap, I forgot about editing.. x_x; Sorry! And well.. then I'm not so sure Neopiko's are worth buying, then..? If they're not refillable, I mean. And about the Ciao ones... what's the big difference between them and the "originl" Copics? The size? (And the fact that they come in fewer hues, of course.)

cruffins; Ah, yeah, I'll start with a set of course, yes. [smiley] I find that to be the best option, no. That way I can see what hues go to together with eachother best and whatnot.

BogusRed; Aah, they bleed? Then.. urgh. x.x; But yeah, whipping out 90 euroes on a medium I might not like is kinda.. unecessary, yes.

WildeKarde; DESIGN? Never heard of them, I'm afraid. D:

Has anyone heard of the korean brand Touch? They're supposed to be as good as the Copics, but somewhat cheaper? But I'm not going to order anything right now, as Kyo667 told me last night that she had some Copics lying around and that she could send them to me so that I can try them out. [smiley]

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I use Prisma markers. They do bleed alot but I think they work just as well or better than most markers I've used. I haven't gotten the chance to use Copics yet but I know Copics are better than Prisma though.

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Yeah, okay.. Hmm.. I'm not too fond of bleeding markers, I suppose, but oh well. I'll see what happens. [smiley] I'm starting school in three or four weeks, so if I'm lucky I might get some help with paying it from school.

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If you use the correct paper, it lessens it alot. Everything bleeds on Cartridge paper- remember that. If you can get zeta paper, even the cheep stuff stays put beter [smiley] Waxy papers, not porus ones

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Oooh, okay, I see.. o: And I suppose that kind of paper is rather expensive, too, right? :/ Mouuu..

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You can use watercolor paper too. That stuff is super durable and the color will not move at all. If I remember correctly it's less pricey than paper specific to markers [smiley]

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The price of watercolor paper depends on the size and quality of the paper, and the quality of the paper affects the bleed of the markers.

Prismacolor markers do bleed if you use them on the wrong types of paper. They bleed horribly, in fact, on some of the cheapest papers on the market, such as sketchbook paper. However, I've even had one or two sets of Crayolas that bleed on those papers, and Crayolas rarely bleed (they are, however, crappy markers with low consistency and that dry out quickly; that's why they're cheap).

Here are a couple of samples of art I've done with markers in the past. They're a medium that I enjoy once in a while, but that I don't have a huge passion for. These days, I usually use high-quality watercolor paper with markers. You should be able to click on the thumbnail and get to the full-size version on my Picasa Web Album.

I did this art with Crayola markers on Academie Sketch Diary paper - not a horrible result, not super great either:

This one was done not long after with Prismacolor markers - it was my first attempt at that type of marker, and I used some cheap watercolor paper I had lying around. (The text and blingy sidebar stuff was done in Photoshop; just the base illustration was done in marker.) I've since become better with the Prismacolors, but I don't have anything scanned at the moment as I usually work larger than my scanner with markers.

Part of the problem I was having with blending on that pic (particularly in the skin tones on the human characters) is that they didn't bleed nearly as much as I thought they would, and I ended up using the colorless blender (poorly) in an attempt to blend them. I have now learned how to better work with both the markers and the colorless blender to get the look I want.

When you pick out markers, it's best to start out with a small set, as BogusRed said. Even though there are sometimes thousands of colors to choose from, depending on the type of marker you're looking at, generally speaking most people work with 8-12 color sets. My Prismacolor set is 24 colors, and I rarely use all of them. Markers can blend colors, just like many other media, so you can often create the tones you need. There are plenty of colors to practice blending with and try out different types of paper with. Also, a small set of colors won't set you back as much if you decide that you don't really enjoy them.

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Design Markers used to have a great airbrush system for its markers. I have one, but does me no good when they stopped making the markers. I think they were bought out by copis. If you do a search online for Copic airbrush system you'll find it. Its a great way to do fades with markers. If its anything like the old system I had its simple to use and with practice can give you awsome tones. Its a great place to start if you can't afford a real airbrush, or don't plan on doing bid peices of work. Check it out.

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Any prismacolor product seems to have paper issues. The pencils for example (the only pencil I will ever use) has bitchy problems with paper. The one that seems to work best with them I've found is a brand called Rhodia. Works well with the pencils, but markers bleed through alot. I dunno, I suck at markers so I stick with paint and pencils.

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as far as Colored pencils you the prisma color ones are pretty good. I love the water color pencils. a little water makes them lay down smooth.

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HurricaneIslandHeart; thanks for all the info! And yeah, I'll start out with a small set, just to see if I like it or not. :] So I can use watercolor paper, then, hmmm... If I can't get my hands on good watercolor paper - should I use Letraset paperthen, or...? o:

WildeKarde; Oooh, I see.. Yeah, perhaps I will.. o: And yeah, watercolor pencils are fun... But I'm not so sure that mine are that good.. I think they're from Faber Castell. I bought them just to try them out.

cruffins; I see.. that's really a shame.. That they bleed and have paper issues, I mean. xD;

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