Earth and it's People

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What if people are just like Earth. It's all nice pretty on the surface, but if you peeled off the layers and you'll reveal the core. And it's all ugly, violent and angry and always errupting. Maybe the core is the real Earth. What if we all have that core inside of us. Our true selves.

What if that's true real life. The reality behind reality.

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If the planet didn't have a molten core, it wouldn't have a magnetic field, and then the surface would get blasted clean by the particle wind from the Sun. The scary molten rock inside is what makes the Earth what it is.

I think what I'm saying is, don't confuse true evil with something that is just weird and powerful.

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What is true evil?

We see people every day of our lives. At work, at home, in entertainment, and news. They all seemed nice, kind, and friendly on the outside. And on times they often helps us on anything and everything. But who or what are they on the inside? Are they just as nice on the inside as well as the outside? Or all that niceness is just the cover-up for who they really are?

And if you ask about it means that evil people are nice on the inside, that is not true. Evil people are the ones who are revealing their true core.

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That's a very poetic way of being paranoid.

I'm sure everyone has the capability for evil acts, but many people also have a sense of ethics or goodness that stops them.

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But are bad/evil the reality of real life?

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This remidsn me strognly of the work by Sigmund Freud and his "Iceberg Theory" -- basically the conscious part of ourselves is the tip of the iceberg, but icebergs are huge behemeoths (sp?) of floating ice, and most of the iceberg remains hidden underneath the water, the majority of the iceberg that remains hidden underwater is called our "unconscious."

And I have an answer to your "what is true evil" question. Essentially everything and nothing; depending on cultural backgrounds as well as influence from mentors (older siblings, parents, teachers) our view of what is evil can vary from person to person. This is why the death penalty is still acceptable in certain countries, and in others it no longer remains as a viable means of punishment. Another possible "evil" is arranged marriage. This always has been portrayed as barabaric "evil" against the democratic rights in Western culture, but in Eastern cultures (India especially, for example) it is a common way for people to get married.

There are also certain instances where "evil" might be appropriate. For example; if you kill somebody with all intention of killing that person people will call you a murderer, but if you were having you life threatened and you killed in "self-defense" then the act of murder is accepted. There's double standards for things, and everybody is raised differenty, so, in all fairness, it is wrong or "evil" to assume that everyone is hiding a darker core. What one person see as a dark twisted soul another might find to a truely acceptable soul.

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What about the phrase "be true to yourself"? In many cases that phrase is usually associated with positive imagry. Happiness, self-confidence, numerous friends, helping others, doing good deeds. People with good qualities.

But to me it's the opposite. What if my core is all negative and that is my true self?

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Our true nature is whatever our animal instincts tell us to do, probably -- without laws and morals, sometimes we will do things that are helpful and sometimes we'll do things that are harmful (to ourselves or to others).

Look at non-human animals, who don't have words for "good" or "evil", and you'll see them doing things all over the spectrum. There are animals who kill for no good reason (i.e. not for food or protection), and there are animals who can be altruistic and risk their own well-being to help others (even when it isn't a matter of protecting their genetic line).

"Good" and "evil" are just words we use to categorize actions according to whatever rulebook we happen to be using.

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But when we think of good we think of God. When we think of evil we think of the Devil. So if God never makes a mistake and consider as perfect God is good. That means if the Devil is evil because he has flaws. In other words perfection = good and flaws = evil.

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That's very Catholic of you -- they do indeed believe that every person is born tainted with original sin, and that since only perfect sinless people can get into heaven, everyone has to be purified in purgatory before they can get to heaven. (And it's possible to be so bad that even purgatory can't help you, in which case you go to hell.)

Secular ideas of right and wrong tend to be based on how much earthly harm is caused by one's actions. If a given religion says that something is good while secular ethics would call it wrong, or if a religion says something is evil when there's no evidence that it does harm in the mortal world, then you need to decide what's more important to you. Or you can ask around and see what other religions say -- do all believers in every system think that God told them the same thing about it, or is there disagreement?

In general, there is probably nothing wrong, in God's eyes, with being mindful about how your actions affect other people, and doing what does the most good on earth. At best, it makes you a "good" person, and at worst, you're doing as much as anyone can to counteract intrinsic evil.

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I'm not a catholic. I don't have a religion. I don't believe I need a relgion to believe in God. What am I trying to say that I am evil.

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On Jan 24, 2009 1:31 pm, Animeiac said:

But when we think of good we think of God. When we think of evil we think of the Devil. So if God never makes a mistake and consider as perfect God is good. That means if the Devil is evil because he has flaws. In other words perfection = good and flaws = evil.

Okay this is understandable, in obstuse way, because not everyone believes in religion (like, way to leave out the atheists), and what about religion where there is no "devil" like Buddism?

I'm not a catholic. I don't have a religion. I don't believe I need a relgion to believe in God. What am I trying to say that I am evil.

Okay, lets look at this rationally. Bad people don't know their bad, its the same isssue as trying to get an insane person to admit their insane -- they think they are totally in the right. If you talk to some really twisted souls, they think they're find and dandy -- in other words they don't feel guilty about being nasty sons of b*tches.

Now, if someone does something nasty and they realize what they've screwed and commited a big bad wrong, they feel guilty about it. Since they feel guilty and can recognize that they did something unforgivable they will forever being beating themselves over it for the rest of the lives and will probably never do it again. Therefore not that evil.

And following this logic, that means since you recognize yor own evil, thus meaning your technically not that evil.

Also, I would like to point out that evil is subjective. Women beater obviously count for as one of those nastier evils, but I'll bet you anything they still buy their wife something really pretty once in and a while and there are moments where she remember swhy she married him, and I'll also bet that said women beater's friends would laugh at you for suggesting that he is a woman beater.

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But this is why I'm evil.

My flaws are that I'm self-center, I stutter when I talk to people and I don't announciate, I believe that no one wants to be my friend, I'm a klutz, I'm a retard, I always think that the world revolves around me, I saying/doing things without thinking, my fattness, my ugliness, no balance, no intelligence, no mind, no heart, no soul, I get distracted real easily, I question everything, my lack of belief in God(nor do I believe that he ever truely like me. I don't think God even likes me. I don't believe God ever made me.), no focus, and I'm nearsighted.

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Aaah, I see.

Okay, I'm not going to say "nooo, you're a good person, don't beat yourself up!!1!eleventy", because that doesn't help you. That's just feeding your self-hatred.

If you look at those things individually, they are not "evil" in either the religious sense or in the sense that they do harm to the world. They're just traits. If you believe it's evil to be fat, stop reading the stupid women's magazines. They're only trying to convince you that you're ugly in order to sell you stuff that they claim will make you pretty.

Some of them might be things that do harm to you or other people, sure. But the worst thing you can do is wallow in them and believe that they make you intrinsically evil, because that means you won't be mindful about trying to change them.

Some of those might be hard to overcome, and most people don't overcome those things completely even by the time they're old -- but what you can do, and what everyone else does, is be mindful about it so that you can minimize it and do it less.

And make a list of your good traits too, so that you can maximize them.

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But that's just it. I don't have any good traits.

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On Jan 25, 2009 1:28 pm, Animeiac said:

But that's just it. I don't have any good traits.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJSMnkED9ZA

Okay, sweetheart -- you say you have no good traits yet, the things said in that video prove taht you can have good traits. Just because you dont see them doesnt mean they arent there.

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All I have is interests.

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It seems to me like there's a bit of confusion between "flawed" and "evil." There's no use telling you that you have good points.... I'm sure you do, but since I don't know you I can't say what they are. But for something to be truely evil it has to do harm. Real harm. The things you mentioned: stuttering, being klutsy, being fat, they don't hurt anyone. The worst they do is make life uncomfortable and embarrassing for you, but even that isn't your fault.

Regardless of "human nature," I think it's wrong to lump people all together and say 'we're all evil at heart.' Evil is shown through a person's actions, through doing things that hurt others. If you don't do evil, you can't possibly, no matter WHAT you think, be evil.

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But that's how people judge me.

When ever someone else makes mistakes that's okay. But when I make a mistake people treat me like I commited murder.

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