Rating System For Our Artwork Submissions?

You know why there is very few? Cause qof art is something VERY grey. Unless there was VERY clear guidlthere will be arguments. They'd get that. Personally? I'm happy being somewhere that appreciates my art for what it is, rather than freaking out over ratings. What I'd rather see is the opposite- more critique from the 'experts' to the more beginner folk *nods* Some competition is good, but how do you rate a 2 year old's art for a mother? It's half impossible frackly.

Yeah this is why I suggested to Inuyashababe that she bring it up in the forums. Rating is really tricky because it might be easily abused and it seems to be really subjective. Plus, what would we do with those ratings? Would we have a page with the highest ranked artists?

Is there a way to create competition without the disadvantages of a rating system? Maybe the rating system should be private like the favorites? What does everyone else think of this? Does anyone else have any ideas?

Yeah, the thing I found about Otaku ratings, is that people will just flame your pictures just for the fun of it, thereby not exactly giving the true thought to what it should really be given. And those artists that would be the *TOP* artist, MAY take away from the other artists trying to show their work, like some of the ones on Otaku that I see, have quite a big fan-base if you look at the number of voters on their artworks lol. I'm not TOTALLY sure If I'd like the rating idea, though, there must be SOME way as to bring out the compeetion as this is mostly intended to do. I like the critiques idea from Arkillian though, more critiquing can also lead to more art and possibly better too. Hmm, if the ratings were private, what would be the point of having them if nobody can see them? Or do you mean something else by none visible ratings? *confused* :/. ARG, I'm racking my brain for ideas at the moment, but nothing seems to come to mind, for some reason, I tend to look at the number of critiques on my artwork, as a sort of rating, alot of critiques means alot of people liked it? No critiques means nobody liked? Dunno..that's how I've always looked at it :/ Course then again, you could have friends just commenting because you asked them

*sigh* I know this may seem strange because I've been on www.theotaku.com since I was 11. Please, don't get me wrong. I do still like the site.

I really, truly am AGAINST this. It leaves a huge sign over people's art that says "Flame me, please!" in my mind. I don't down rate anyone's art. If I don't like it and think they didn't even try to make it look nice, I just don't do/say anything.

The only rating system I like even a little is the one on www.gaiaonline.com . It is a number rating system. It goes 0 thru 10. I could do okay with that.

Though when it comes down to it, I believe in a lot of cases it just discourage artists who aren’t quit as wonderful as others to quit.

I myself hardly get ANY votes on my art on Otaku and if I do get any, they seem to be a lot of down votes. I hardly pay attention to that site because of it anymore.

I’d never leave this site because of something so trivial but if you do put it on, please, make it so only members can vote. It makes a big difference. ^_^

 

As for the competition, I'd be fine with that. My sugestion on that is that we figure the top 10-20 by the artists with the most favorites. On theotaku the highest rated artists changes on a DAILY basis. I've been on there for about 3 times. It hardly lasts.

 

All in all, compition, maybe with it being done on favorites.

Rating system, Not really.

If a rating system was added...'members only' would have to be the stipulation to vote.

I also have reservations about rating systems.  I have a picture on another site that was getting great ratings/crits.  Then somone just came along an voted the lowest vote with no crit.  Why? I don't know.  Did they hate it that much or where they just  being snarky? I'll never know.

I agree with many of your views. As themusicdied pointed out, I too think the ratings could discourage new artists. BamboozledByAnime also brings up a good point that the number of critiques you get is a good indicator of how much people liked the artwork. I completely agree with this. When I used to go to fanfiction.net to read fanfiction, I'd choose what fic to read based on how many critiques it had. I'd always go for the ones with the highest number of critiques for the number of chapters it had and I'd never lose.



What I meant by this is that only the original artist would see the ratings just like the favorites are now. They are private and for your own use only.



The favorites is a good idea to go by. But I wouldn't have the top artists, I'd have something like the top drawings. Also I think I might limit it to something like the top 3 and have it every week on the art index page. If I had the top artists, then the top three list might never change because those artists would only get more exposure and thereby more favorites.

You'll never win with a rating system cause jealose people will kill it for the artist. I stongly suggest frequent competitions. That's a better way to encorage effort in my eyes

Besides- I love PD for the care free community air. If I wanted quality angst, I'd live in Deviant art all my life. I appreciate posting in a non critical community

I like that idea better than having top artists, if it was top artists, we all know their art would mostly likely be swamped with viewers rather than others. Plus, favorites of the day or week and what not, would be nice to see, you can geet a glimpse as to what people consider "awesome" art I suppose? XD lol. Or if your picture is featured among the favorites of the day or week, then it woould be like a major confidence booster,of course, because you see how many people like it for it to show up there ^_^.

Ohhh ok, I gotcha, wasn't sure if you meant it wasn't viewable at all or something gah ><

 

Ok I went ahead and created a top favorites section. This is shown in the Art Gallery root. It shows the top three favorited artworks from a week ago. The kind of cool thing about the favorites ranking is that new favorites wont change their rank. Some people think it's unfair to showcase stuff with the most hits or favorites because by showcasing them, they only get more hits and favorites. But this compensates for that because everytime someone favorites something, it records the date and time it was favorited, so that means I can be selective with what time period the favorites have been made. But this is getting too technical and I'm probably not making any sense right now.

Anyway, enjoy the new favorites thing. I'm not completely confidant in it's accuracy so I put BETA next to it.

I may change it to select favorites from a month ago instead giving artwork more time to accumulate favorites because artwork only seems to accumulate 1-3 favorites in a week's time. I'm not sure yet.

Oooh yay! Thankyou, I just went to check the new feature out after I saw your post hehe.

Okay, this is how I'M taking you mean this be for it being setup lol. Well, firstly, nobody can really see how many times an artwork has been favorited right? SO, the favorites rack up on the artworks, and eventually for that ONE week, artwroks with faves have a rating, so, the next week, you're going to have displayed the top favorites from the last week, and for one whole week it will only shows those three? And then the new week will rack up the favorites for that week, and then the next week, those will be shown instead? Am I correct in how you're working this? lol.

Please tell me  if I'm right, I don't want to think wrongly if it's not right and I look like a fool ><  lol.

I like the idea though, this is quite nice hehe, because, nobody really knows what is being the favorite artwork among them all for that week, so when the next week rolls around, you get to see just whos work was most favorited during that week, and then during that time, new favorites for the week will rack up for the next one ^_^ 

Weee I'm liking the idea  SO much lol. Plus I get to see the art I might've missed on a certain day if it ends up being the top 3 fav. of the week lol.

Well, alls I can say is thanks, and I hope I'm correct in presuming how you said you have it set up for now ^_^;;

Oh, and great job to the 3 artworks from last week that made top 3 favs!!

EDIT: I just had a thought, what if somehow some way someone's artwork was show twice for the top favorites of the day, would that be taking away too much of the glory for the other arists? What if you made it so that only one artwork from each artists was only allowed up on thr top favorites, just to make it a little fairer to everyone else??

I donno- I don't normally fav art myself- I know others fav left right and center. I don't like it cause it isn't acurate, but if people want it, then don't let me stop you. I just know that there is alot of people on DA that get depressed cause they don't gets favs. This wont be as bad here, cause its more of a community, but I see faving as a link to a picture they can relate to, not nessecarily one they like- It may be a not so great quality pic that gets faved cause of who is in it I'm sorry- call me bitter, but that's why I'm against it. Its a biased system.

You are right Arkillian that there is no way to make it completely fair. Everyone has their own biases. But it's the best I can do.

About the way the favorites work, I think it's a little different from what you described Bamboozled. It's sort of messy how it works. Let me attempt to explain it...
When you go to the art gallery page, the software will look up the current date and time. Then it will calculate two dates. One date is exactly 14 days ago and the other date is exactly 7 days ago. Then it looks for the three artworks that had gained the most favorites between the 14 days ago period and the 7 days ago period.

For example, right now it is November 6, 2005 21:53 (military time). It will look at the artwork that gained favorites between October 23 21:53 and October 30th 21:53 and take the top three. That means the artwork in the Top Favorites list might change from day to day, or even hour to hour.

This is a little more fair than if i had just looked at the artwork from sunday to saturday because what if you uploaded your art at the end of the week and it didn't have a chance to get favorites yet? then you wouldn't have a chance at the top favs. Also, this system doesn't pay any attention to when the artwork was posted, just when it got favorites. So if an artwork got like 4 favorites in the span of this week but it was posted a year ago, it can make it in the top favs for this week.

Sorry it's just so darn hard to explain. I hope that makes sense.

It's fine BR I'm not worried if people want a favs section. I probably wont take much notice of it unless there is a pic I didn't previously notice. I'm ok if everyone wants it. I guess I'm a little insecure about my ability to draw ^^; I believe I have a LONG way to go with my art. I'm never happy.

On Nov 7, 2005 1:30 am, arkillian said:


ditto for me! and that's probably how we are going to feel for the rest of our lives, no matter how much we improve. 

I think that people Paper Demmon should alphabatise their things.

"I think that people Paper Demmon should alphabatise their things."

Whaaaat? Alphabetise what?

Inuyashababe- *huggles* That sux big time when you get that. I know its a big thing on Deviantart, that nude men get deleted more often than women, and women get made daily deviation more often than anything else. ITs very biase, which is why I don't feel its a good Idea, but alot of people like it, even if they don't try harder (or maybe they do? I donno) case of it. I don't see how it directly helps the quality of art- that is upto the artist. if the artist pushes themselves to the limit to become beter with every pic, then in 2 years time- this will be an awesome site of artists

At the end of the day, I draw for fun, and if people think I should be pro or not, then that is their thoughts. None of them would buy a commision, so I'll keep drawing what interests mean me alone. I'm sur I could be someone at even DA if I drew for the audience, but I don't want to. That's the difference- A good artist that gets no attention cause of the art they draw (Or negative attention in your case), and a not so good artist that draws what everyone wants to see just for attention -and they get it. They are favoured.

*sigh* I'll leave this forum alone now- if Susie wants t put this system in, then I'm fine with it. I'm in no race to be popular, and my art will develope at the same rate with, or without it, so I'm fine.

The favoriting is a small showcase. I am really against a rating system for many of the reasons listed above and I don't want to put something like that on here unless there is overwhelming support for it. Which there isn't. So, we wont be doing a rating system.