The Joker and the Octopus

Posted Jul 24, 2008, 8:40:09 PM UTC

Just in time for the summer blockbuster "The Dark Knight," the Master Planner presents fanart with the two scintillating, scene-stealing supervillains from the most stunning superhero sequels in celluloid history.

Now that I've run out of alliterative terms, here's the standard disclaimer: This is fanart, and I don't own these two. Nor would I want to. They're not very nice people.

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  • Jul 24, 2008, 6:00:39 PM UTC
    OK- comments... I haven't had alot of sleep lately so excuse me if I'm abrupt in any way XD

    OK- wouldn't know if you want me to point out all the issues since you haven't chosen roast me as the crit option, but these are what strike me enough to mention-

    *Refill lines. Yuo'll be asked to resubmit this without the lines (since it's not with in the submitting standard of PD- they're easy to remove though Smile ), and I'm pretty sure they send a PM explaining why, but I'd point out this on any other site too- Poorly scanned art, blurry art, damage to paper, lined paper... if this isn't erased from the art, the viewer will lower their opinion of the art immediately cause it distracts from the art. http://magenta-stock.deviantart.com/art/Removing-Lined-Paper-Lines-35017659 Here's a DA tutorial that shows how to get rid of it in photoshop. I think there's a GIMP one somewhere but I forget where T.T

    * Felt tip pens- I like that you have nice even lines with the pens- most people scrible and it looks blotchy ^^ However, try to make your strokes longer, or maybe make the whole stroke quick- I think what you're doing is making exact lines which does make it neat, but leaves those more saturated areas where the two rows of ink pens meet and make a brighter colour. if you flick off the end quickly, it may not combine so much. Remember you can add more felt, but you can't take it away easily. The next step up from felts is copics. they're expensive for some brands, but you get a nice even finish with them. They're gooooood :3 *purrs*

    *Background- Or a lack of. Sometimes you can get away with a plain background, but 9/10 times, having SOME sort of colour is beter than plain white. Don't waste you felts on it thoguh- I suggest coloured pencils. It doesn't need to be bold. A pastel colour to add some warmth or cool or something is all that's needed. 8/10 having a simple scenery behind the character also helps alot too Smile

    I don't want to comment too much further than that till I know what you want crit on, cause art style gets personal sometimes and I want to know where you sit with it. That's a start though, right? Big Smile
    • Jul 24, 2008, 8:30:57 PM UTC
      Thank you, Arkillian, for your comments. I don't have Photoshop, and this is merely a sketch...I probably should find a way to move it to the unfinished work section but when I posted I was still trying to familiarize myself with the website. I figure that I will save up to buy a nice sketchpad and draw an improved version to replace this crummy one.
      The markers are plain Crayola. I'll try the tip you gave me, but if you could tell me where I could buy copic markers and how much they usually cost, then that would be helpful indeed.
      I'm also looking into buying colored pencils.
      Thank you, again, for helping me out with the quality of my art.
      --The Master Planner
      • Jul 28, 2008, 5:28:19 PM UTC
        I'm not sure where YOU would buy them, but I get mine from the local art stores. They're a bit expensive, and there are cheaper brands you can go for, but if you want to colour like you are, it's the next level up Yes I can't see any reason to ditch felt pens unless you do want to go for it though- it's fine with felt pens ^^ It was a tip cause I thought you might like it.

        Coloured pencils is a cheaper option for getting smooth colour in your art in a traditional way. They're more effective when used like a pencil rather than as a solid area effect- I use to use pencils alot for colouring, like in this- [thumb406] IT looks good at a distance, but up close, nothing beats a good solid colour for cell styled shading. Sorry if I seemed a little critical with that ^^; lol. Didn't mean it harshly if I did...
        • Jul 29, 2008, 5:25:02 AM UTC
          A few of my artistically-inclined friends use colored pencils and have nothing but praise for them. Unfortunately I live in a small town where the nearest thing to an art store is the Wal-Mart, and they only have the Crayola crayons, markers, and pencils.

          Don't worry about critiquing me; I know you only intend to help me improve. It's like Simon Cowell's role on American Idol--it's better to be brutally honest than to receive a lot of empty praise that only sets one up for a bigger disappointment.
          • Aug 3, 2008, 5:42:00 AM UTC
            Sorry ^^; Some people give me the impression that critique scares them cause of the l33tists that throw the hard core on >.> I try not to crit harshly ^^; I think I missed that it was a sketch- can't remember though ^^; Hope I didn't offend you ^^
            • Aug 4, 2008, 4:32:13 AM UTC
              No, of course you didn't offend me. I know that a lot of artists, particularly on Paperdemon's rival--(coughdeviantartcough) have particularly unpleasant reactions to getting critique. I once tried to say to one of these types, "Okay, overall this is great, but for future reference it might help if you adjusted perspective a little bit, especially when it comes to..." Now I was only trying to help her improve, and then I got her reply: "F--- off." Then she blocked all critique from that particular drawing. Ack! I, on the other hand, am aware that my works are usually "in progress" and that there is a difference between critique and trolling; namely, the former is meant to help one improve and is to be appreciated.
              • Aug 5, 2008, 2:57:03 PM UTC
                Critique is a tricky thing everyone wants to be awesome at art, but they want the easy way. There's not alot that truly want to be awesome at it and work hard :< You can usually get a feel in their comments if they care or not. I don't get the trolls though- they have no issues with berating a beginner cause they wanted advise. Advise doesn't need to be offending Sad
                • Aug 6, 2008, 4:01:44 AM UTC
                  "Everyone wants to be awesome at art, but they want the easy way."
                  Hence, the art thieves that proliferate, like maggots on poo, in websites like this and DA. Recently I had a problem with someone stealing one piece of my Octopus fanart. I reported it--and turned out that I had followed a tip I saw somewhere on PD's forums--and along with my signature, hidden the words "Pier 56" in my lineart.

                  ...busted!

                  Of course there are some artists who don't want *any* critique. I've written one comment on DA saying very politely, "This looks great, but personally, I would slightly fix the perspective, and (blah blah blah). Other than that, it's really good. Keep up the good work." And got this reply: "F*** off. This is my style."

                  But for my part, I like to think I've improved since I first started drawing. And I owe part of that to the helpful friends with their constructive critique.

                  --MP
                  • Aug 6, 2008, 3:42:56 PM UTC
                    Yeah- some people just doodle for fun and were only drawing cause they can. I do that sometimes, so I can see where they're coming from, but they don't need to be rude ^^; You're taking your time to comment. Least they can do is say thanks, but no thanks ^^; That's why I'm glad PD have the crit options. Makes it alot clearer if people want crit or not. I'm surprised DA took so long to get them. PD have had that option for ages now.
                    • Aug 7, 2008, 2:23:45 AM UTC
                      Ages, huh? Then again I find paperdemon to be a bit more "serious" than most of deviantart.

                      I mostly draw for pleasure, because I'm well aware that my true talent lies in the written word.
                      • Aug 7, 2008, 8:12:41 PM UTC
                        PD isn't so much serious... I think we're alot more quality minded here cause we're a tad more strict on presentation, but I like that. I don't really want to be spammed by art I can't see to appreciate Yes DA is a chuck bucket for memes, sonic fanart, and miscatagorised scrawls. There's a very small percentage of decent artists on da. Most account are PLZ accounts, dead ones, spam ones, or lurkers. It's kinda sad T.T